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March 12, 2008

Helpful Hints from joeeze: 3 things I've learned about bathrooms over the years

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Hey, for a minute there I thought this feature had taken a powder.

Good to see it again, whoever's responsible for stuff like that.

Wait a minute....

"Help the bombardier!"

"I'm the bombardier, I'm all right."

Got it.

Anyway.

Where was I?

Mushrooms, yeah, things I've learned from mushrooms.

That's not it?

Doh.

Okay, restart.

1) If at all possible when remodeling or building, put a drain not just in the shower/tub enclosure but in the floor as well.

Because the question is not if but when your toilet will overflow.

Trust me on this.

And even if your toilet never, ever overflows, and your — yo, joe, can't say that here, you know better... well, you know what I was gonna say, don't you? — it'll be a lot easier to just hose down your bathroom floor every now and again to get it spiffy, eat-off-it clean than getting down on your hands and knees once in a blue moon to scrub it as best you can until you get tired and disgusted with the whole project.

That's when you're glad to have a small bathroom.

But I digress again.

2) If you choose a tile enclosure for your shower/tub, make the tiles as large as you can tolerate esthetically.

Consider that 12" x 12" tiles have only 1/3 the seams to get grungy looking compared to 4" x 4" tiles.

I wish I could redo my shower again.

The people who rebuilt it from the rotted wood framing in did a spectacular job: I've got no quarrel with their very fine workmanship, ten years later.

Cost me about $2,500 for the job, as I recall.

Money well spent, considering the miserable state it was in previously.

But scrubbing those myriad grouted lines gets oh so old and I'm only just getting started, besides my arms getting really tired and the whole thing becoming such a bore.

I might even bag the tiles next time around.

3) When you're remodeling or building, make certain to put in a ceiling vent fan, even if the bathroom has a window/windows.

Because guess what?

Sometimes it gets really cold or hot outside and you don't want to open the window after you've steamed up the bathroom.

And make sure to put the fan right above the shower/tub enclosure rather than outside it.

Think about it: Where's the bulk of the steam want to go?

Straight up — so help it.

And while you're making plans for that fan, make certain it's really powerful and that the vent pipe is plenty large, not some dinky broomstick-sized thing that can't carry jack.

Put a cover on the pipe top so large creatures don't make their way down to join you in the tub.

Don't even think about venting it into the attic.

And that's all I have to say about bathrooms.

Full disclosure: This post was composed while listening to endless repeats of The Who's "Magic Bus," on the "Live at Leeds" album.

Truly one of the all-time great tracks, especially where Roger Daltrey starts laughing in the middle of the song after he says, "Too much."

"Well you can't have it."

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1) Colored grout (next time, I know). It hides the gunk on the grout lines.
2) Thanks for that great perspective, Flautist.
3) I'll weigh in with the others to say not to vent into the attic. A contractor told me once that it wouldn't harm anything. He lied, and the stuff I had stored there was ruined by mildew.

Posted by: Mark | Mar 13, 2008 11:32:13 AM

I think you need to redo the math on your grout lines, but your point still holds.

Posted by: Joe | Mar 12, 2008 6:47:43 PM

Mum's got a wheel-in shower and a floor drain. Magic. You can let the kids loose in there and no matter how much water they chuck around it just goes down the hole.
Wish our bathroom was like that.

Posted by: Skipweasel | Mar 12, 2008 2:34:50 PM

Amen to this post. That drain thing they do in Europe and it seems to work for them.
A couple of thoughts: clifyt don't vent into the attic it's more than mold, it may rot your roofing timber. As in tiiiiiiiimmmmmmbbbeerrrrrrrr!
Flautist reminds us all that you never get rid of dirt- you just relocate it- it doesn't just disappear when Samantha wiggles her nose now does it kids.
Joe, maybe your crack staff could do an investigative report on where dirt really goes!

Posted by: Nick | Mar 12, 2008 2:22:00 PM

One more thing for potential remodelers. An old finish carpenter once told me that the most important and most critical trim in a house is anything at eye level and..... any trim you can see when you are sitting on the john!

Posted by: Ray | Mar 12, 2008 1:55:43 PM

Isn't it amazing that the place we use to get ourselves all nice and clean gets so gross and filthy? Like you re-distribute your layer of personal crud onto the surfaces of the bathroom space. And then, in turn, have to loosen that layer of crud and wash it out into an unsuspecting world.

And, oh, the power of poop, especially when it gets where it's not supposed to. Also amazing, it is, how big a chunk of life is dedicated to the removal of and attempting to eliminate all traces of used food.

Posted by: Flautist | Mar 12, 2008 12:47:36 PM

Wow! Great post.

I'm in the middle of a bathroom project right now...it S*CKS...3 years after buying my home, *ALL* the paint is peeling in it...not just the walls, but the ceiling as well. Scraping paint, spackling the areas where the paint was sooooo thick that just to paint over the scraped area is not an option. And I stopped doing this until I could get a ceiling fan installed. Unfortunately, I need to get into a ceiling crawlspace whose only entrance was drywalled over years ago and I don't want to get into YET ANOTHER PROJECT.

So the fan is probably going to vent into the tiny attic and hope the vents in the roof are good enough to stop mold until I can get into it and do it right.

Secondly, large tiles don't do much when you have hard water. It isn't the grout I worry about because the lime and other minerals get into that and it looks alright. It is the HUGE black marble tiles I have in my bathroom, on my floor and in the shower that start to glaze over with a white film that seems to almost be embedded in them.

Guess what? My water is only filtered on the cold. I don't know about you, but I don't remember the last time I took a cold shower. (actually I do...I think that was when one a 21 year classmate showed up one night unexpected and left just as unexpected...nevermind...it was the first time I think I actually even touched the cold knob in the shower...almost had to pry it free...pervy old man).

So my suggestion for #4 would be to add a whole house water filter and don't just limit it to the cold line thinking this is what you will be drinking from. Do it all any your shower and dishwasher will thank you in the end.

Posted by: clifyt | Mar 12, 2008 11:18:28 AM

I had a coworker whose idea of a dream house included having every room tiled floor to ceiling and with spigots and drains so he could hose them out regularly. I snarked that he should pipe in bleach while he was at it. He thought that was an excellent idea.

Posted by: Al Christensen | Mar 12, 2008 10:24:31 AM

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